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Dec. 1, 2005
November 2005 - Restoration in Myra Canyon
Here are recent pics from the restoration of the Myra Canyon trestles. The trestle-only pics were taken on October 20, 2005. The trestle crane pic was taken on November 18, 2005. Trestles 14 & 15 have been completed, with 13 near completion. Progress at the west end with the 30' bent spacing is moving much slower.
Oct. 20, 2005
Oct. 20, 2005
Oct. 20, 2005
Nov. 18, 2005
Sept 29, 2005
shannon sears firstname.lastname@example.org
on sunday september 25th my dad and i cycled the KVR from Myra Canyon to Penticton. somewhere between the trestle (just west of the parking lot) and the Chute Lake Resort I lost a pannier. it was black and grey, and contained a red MEC riding jacket, black MEC rain pants, an old Reebok shirt and various sundries. if anyone has found it please let me know and i will pay to have it mailed to me!
Sept. 25 2005
Steve Webb, email@example.com,
OK....cat's got your tongues!
Has everyone stopped riding 'cause it's September? Where's those end-of-summer-cyclin'-campfire stories? Heck...I'd settle for listening to someone's changing a flat!
At risk of two threads in a row.....here goes.
My last ride of the year...Brodie/Portia/Princeton/Glenwalker.....always has a different look and feel in the fall....lots of yellow pockets north of the Coquihalla summit, scarlet 'n gold maples putting on an R.C.M.P.-like display to the south.....the smell of decaying leaves on the trail past Ladner Creek (or was that my chamois?)(time for their annual launderin'?)......the thrill of not having to pay the toll at Coquihalla booth (wonder when they'll catch up to us on this one and place a booth down below!).....having to wear an Elmer Fudd touque(?) while sleeping at night.....don't laugh, try it!.....that great ice cream at Coquihalla Campsite just above the Tunnels......trying to get in past your knees in the Similkameen.......
.........someone stop me and take over here!
I have some suggestions for new threads:
- Memorable places that we ate while riding the KVR.....(i.e. Princeton now officially has the best red beet borscht)(Gwen's Red Soup Survey: 2004-5)
- Memorable meals that we gagged over while backcountry camping....but tasted yummy....
- Memorable places that you made-out while riding....ooops...family forum, sorry Dan!
- What kind/style bikes is everyone riding....what worked/didn't.....
- Tires! I used those Bonrager(?) 1.95's....puncture resistant.....great!
- Most disastrous mechanical problem....
In closing, I appreciate meeting folks-from-who-knows-everywhere on the trail, the information and experience shared on this site.....the KVR Trail......the people who keep it ride-ready...I'm gettin'teary..........just think if we all sat around one huge honkin' campfire at the same time....Langford's should set a date? We could burn all our first and second vintage issues of 'Cycling the KVR'.
Rest up the buns.....next riding season will come again soon....thanks All!
Sept. 14, 2005
Steve Webb, firstname.lastname@example.org
Hi All, just about time to launder the riding chamois....but not quite! (just one more ride!!). Rode the 'Vancouver Island edition' of the Kettle this week....with the help of Peter, Nick and Ray's info, plus a little back-tracking! Very beautiful ride, easy surface, good access, camping, coffee, enough healthy kilometres to be ride-worthy, several 60km days or so. Trestles, no tunnels though (don''t know what's with that, should have put some in just for fun?), Kinsal Trestle is very worth the visit....something wonderful NEEDS to be done with it....a very awesome-bit-of-engineering....and rather big! Also, they need to allow cyclists to ride through the watershed to Leechtown/Sooke (Galloping Goose Trail) to make a great circuit ride to Tsawassen. Cowichan Valley is beautiful, gets an extra month of summer.....so, heck with this Labour Day quitting riding thing.....no ATV's.....occasional horse, which can leave a hazard when fresh! Put this area on your ride-to-do list PeddlePeople..... .
Cheers, Steve Webb (Vancouver)
Sept. 12, 2005
Ravi @ email@example.com
Brookmere to Princeton
Dear Dan: Thanks. We had a great trip of Cubs, Scouts, Ventures and Leaders of 5th Coquitlam ( all in 8) . We traveled from Brookmere to Princeton all in one day ( 70 k) . A Cub and Scout did Brookmere to Tulameen only ( 37K) , and rest continued. We had Lunch at Otter Lake camp ground ( off bridge on KVR). We stayed at Forest Service Camp site, at Brodie; exit 250 at Coquihalla Highway and drove to Brookmere via Exit 256. The Brookmere-Tulameen road ( for our safety vehicle) was passable at the time, and had narrowed to one lane at many sections. At Princeton, we stayed at Princeton Castle Resort, off KVR, which is my favorite as it allows you to get on and off the KVR.
Followed your book Trans Canada Trail, a British Columbia Route, which is complimentary to your book. I think any traveler in BC through KVR should use both these books. Plus I had Tachometer on my bike which gave pretty close readings ( I clocked 70 k for 65 k as per the book). I think this one is good to use at it gives you an idea how far we have gone/ or are from the destination.
Also, I thank all those earlier travelers, whom I had called for directions, maps, etc. which helped me to take the "unknown out" of the trip. I learnt this lesson, as previously this July, I completed Princeton-Coalmont and back with 10 youth and adults. Next day I wanted to get on to KVR at Jura station and ride back, but could not find the place. Ended up at Osprey Lake, with 11 youth and adults, and so decided to ride back through Chain Lakes, Three General Stores. At this point we split, as many could not ride the trail since it was turned to sand and very lose surface due to heavy use of ATVs. Only 5 of us continued to ride to Jellicoe ( 76.7 KM) where others would meet us in Van. They could not find the station, nor we found the exit of the KVR per the book. It just happened that we managed to meet them at rt 40, by chance, as we got off from KVR through the back of a house off KVR and they were running up and down the road to locate us. Some of the local residents on the highway they contacted to locate Jellicoe station had no idea where it was! Some nervous moments, but in the end a big laugh, and bear hugs.
I would like to share this with readers as it might help some one, as some of the messages on the forum has helped me and my group.
Thanks Dan , for such a wonderful resource for KVR travelers. Ravi @ firstname.lastname@example.org
Sept 7, 2005
MK / JS
ATV's and other motorized vehicles
I don't mind sharing the trail with responsible drivers, as many are, but ...
A few weeks ago, I saw first-hand a well-concealed dirt bike driver come around the long blind curve at Glen Fir (between Penticton and Chute Lake) at well above the posted 30KM speed limit. The driver then proceeded to JUMP the bike over a small mound (where a culvert had been installed on the trail). We were riding bicycles with children -- how much more obnoxious could that driver have been?
It is also very common to see large piles of gravel swirled up in "doughnuts" -- clearly, there are people out there who don't know trail etiquette.
How can one report such incidents of concern? Not easily, as one cannot see the well-concealed rider's identity (full helmets, clothing, etc.) AND there is NO license plate on many vehicles.
I later talked with a KVR volunteer maintenance person (from naramata area) who told us that at a meeting last year, the provincial government representative told the local Naramata parks board that the province (ie the state) might not be providing future funding for their local trail insurance IF they continue to allow vehicular traffic on that portion of the trail.
so, the province apparently wants the KVR trail to be self-propelled, but the local groups (like Naramata parks, an offshoot of the regional district www.rdos.bc.ca ) apparently don't care about vehicles.
I think that what it will take to change their minds is a lawsuit, and from what I've witnessed, it might not be too long before someone innocent is injured seriously by an unisured vehicle operated by an irresponsible driver.
So, if you're concerned about this issue, then you know that the way to get heard is thru' people's budgets (ie money talks). Email the province. Tell the province what your tourist dollars are NOT going to support any longer. www.gov.bc.ca.
The other solution is similar to what one sees in the popular United States national forests. Yes, off-road vehicles are welcome in designated areas (that's fair), AND they MUST be plated and insured. (that's fair too) After all, if one's ATV / dirt bike is involved in an incident, don't you think you would want the protection of some insurance?
Meanwhile, I am sorry to hear that visitors have had their precious holiday experiences disrupted by irresponsible, possibly unlicensed and uninsured vehicular traffic on the so-called Trans Canada Trail. Clearly, a few are giving the rest a bad name.
Sept 5, 2005
Summerland to Otter lake
We just completed the sectiopn between Summerland and Otter lake. The trip was excellent and we had a great time. We plan on doing other sections next year! We stayed at Country Lane campsite the first night and at Coalmont for the second night. Our only complaint is that the ATV's and Motor Bikes are wrecking the trail for others. Even in places that were posted for "No" ATV's we saw many on the trail, The trails will need to be fixed, very loose gravel is very hard to ride on, or the the bikes will stop using the trail in this section. The damage has been done and will need fixing. Many people on the trail that we talked to said the same thing about the trail condition. The trip was great and we will be doing more riding next year.
August 31, 2005 For
the last five years my husband and I as well as another couple have been cycling
portions of the KVR. We are not hard core cyclist, just individuals
whom have been trying to do as much of the trail as possible and have made
it into an adventure of an enjoyable weekend, of wine touring and biking,
staying in bed and breakfast. This
year we cycled the portion from Jellicoe Station to I
understand that they are not suppose to be on the KVR and I feel that it should
be enforced. It was very difficult riding, extremely tiring. As
far as I’m concern, the whole concept of the KVR is loosing it’s
appeal and those from other parts of the world that come to do the cycling,
will spread the word that it is not worth the trip and the local tourist (Bed
& Breakfast)(wineries) and local towns will loose the money generated
from these travelers. This
is what I have found on one of the site, however, I don’t see it being
enforced: F. Trail Use Most farmers would like
to see the trail as a totally non-motorized corridor (no ATV's, motorcycles
or snowmobiles. Safety of other trail users (bikers and hikers) was one of
their key concerns along with the experience of some motorized vehicle users
leaving the trail grade, sometimes by cutting a passage in the fence, to access
fields and range land for recreation and hunting. Farmers recognize both the
political issues involved (many motorized vehicle users live in the respective
areas and support the trial), as well as the technical problems (how do you
keep ATV's and motorcycles out and allow bicycles and horseback riders in?)
Recognizing those problems, they still encourage the province and Trails B.C.
to move quickly towards a non-motorized use only policy for the Trans Canada
Trail where it passes through agricultural areas. This is generally consistent
with current management agreements. If a clear "non-motorized
use" policy is adopted and promoted, methods of restricting these vehicles
will have to be developed. As part of this project, we suggested that 4-foot
wide, self-closing passage gates be installed where fences cross the trail.
A design and prototype have been developed by Katim Enterprises. One option
would be to make sure that these gates are too narrow to permit ATV's and
snowmobiles to pass through. Another option, in addition to restricted passage
gates, would be to install rocks or posts at critical points such as trestles
that again would provide a passage width that is too narrow for ATV's and
Snowmobiles. **We found that the center posts were gone and the
ATV’s were able to go through the posts. We even met up with a
vehicle on the trail, whom went through the tunnel. "Trail" type
motorcycles present a different challenge. Passages wide enough for bicycles
would also allow most trail bikes to pass through as well. The best solution
may be to have concrete or other solid barricades across the trail at critical
points such as trestles and passage gates at road crossings. These would have
to be high enough to discourage trail bikes, but be low enough for bicycle
users to be able to "lift" their bikes over the barricade. Recommendations: vi.
Trails B.C. and local TCT Trail groups should continue efforts to reduce and
eventually eliminate use of the trail by motor vehicles and by motorized recreation
vehicles such as ATV's, motorcycles and snowmobiles in agricultural areas. vii.
If a clear policy to limit motorized vehicles on the trail, passage gates,
"lift over" and rock or post barricades should be installed to prevent
motorized vehicle use. I would
appreciate hearing from all of you that you have received this email.
We plan on going back to the Princeton area next August long weekend to continue
our adventure of the trails and hope that some of our concerns will have been
answered. Yvonne Colebert July 31, 2005
Steve Webb (in Vancouver)email@example.com
Merritt to Spences Bridge leg
Hi all, nice to read everyone's recent adventure postings! Sounds like everyone has earned their debateable-leather-like-fruit-snacks and PowerAde bevies!
Myself...I seem to lose ten pounds easy on a ride....only to gain it back ultra-quickly at the Blue Moose in Hope before making it home! (should rename it the 'Dangermoose Deli' ).
Just rode the Merritt to Spence s Bridge leg.....and believe me, every loose-bit-o-gravel was in exactly the same spot as it has been for years....only looser! Snappin' hot....tough to find shade behind the tumbleweed....I swear I saw Clint Eastwood whistling the theme from Hang 'em High!
Don't ever expect to get a good night's sleep in Spences Bridge, cosily nestled between the Jakebrakes of Hwy 1, CP Rail, CN Rail, all alternating on a tight twenty-minute all-night time schedule! Good food/company at the old hotel though.
Has anyone else done this section lately.....Michelle, did you ride it?
Dan 'n Sandra.....sounds like a fourth issue of the book is needed after comments of a recent thread....I'm going to need a separate Bobtrailer just to pack all issues!!!! I think I know the Ol' KVR pretty intimately.....but ALWAYS take the book....it's ALWAYS needed.....a good bit 'o work you guys, thanks! Appreciate everyone's info! Cowichan ride next.......no ATV's......yee-ha! (did I just jinx myself?).
August 27, 2005
David Greer, firstname.lastname@example.org
August 27, 2005
Brookmere to Jellicoe Station
Ride from Brookmere to Tulameen is pleasant, took us about four hours of relaxed cycling. Some washboarding in the stretch closest to Brookmere but manageable. My 35 mm tires were the widest I could fit on my touring bike so I was slower than my companions -- probably best to heed those who advise at least 50 mm for maximum comfort and traction. Hard to enjoy the scenery when you have to concentrate on the next few yards of the trail. We found the RV campground on the lake at Tulameen, end of the main street, an excellent place to tent ($20 for out two tents on one site) and the cheeseburgers they made us when we arrived about 8 pm were very welcome.
Tulameen to Princeton was the most delightful part of the ride both because the trail was fairly good and the Tulameen River is very picturesque and has some inviting-looking swimming holes with clear water. En route, we stopped at the Coalmont Hotel at about 10 but were told it didn't open till 12, signs to the contrary notwithstanding. Another sign at the town entrance warns off encyclopedia salesmen and women, the latter due to the "predominance of bachelors". May be outdated but forewarned is forearmed. A coyote crossed our path at one point and several deer and slow-witted grouse appeared on the trail as well, also magpies and Steller's jays.
Princeton features a Subway and Dairy Queen for non-purists. And then a very long, very gradual climb all the way to Jellicoe Station through Ponderosa pine and grassland turning to forest closer to Jellicoe. Be sure to take an abundance of water -- any lakes or streams on the maps in this stretch are purely an illusion in August. The last sandy stretch from Jura to Jellicoe is hell for narrow tires and somewhat less so for better equipped bikes. We saw very few ATVs (midweek) but presumably they have contributed to the very sandy conditions and firming up of this section of the trail would be a welcome priority. The B&B at Jellicoe Station is a gem with cooking out of this world, featuring a luscious selection of Darlene's preserves in addition to sumptuous fare that will fill the most bottomless stomach. Tent or splurge and get a cabin (approx $50 includes bed, dinner and breakfast and is a real bargain) . And be prepared for the 1.5 k climb up the hill from the trail exit to the Jellicoe Station B&B -- well worth it, but a bit of a grind at the end of a long day. No bachelors at the Jellicoe Station B&B and encyclopedia salesmen are apparently welcome. I took advantage of the shuttle service at Jellicoe Station to get back to Brookmere, my companions with the wider tires continued on to Summerland.
August 26, 2005
Hello from Manitoba folks ..
As a future visitor /user of the KVR trail and after reading the numerous posts here re inconsiderate ATV riders etc I 'd like to suggest that someone contact your local RCMP or the Minister of Tourism in your province to see where they both stand on the issue of ATV's dirtbikes destroying the trail.
Not that an out - of - province voice will carry more weight than local folks but I can assure you I will be contacting the above - mentioned parties to hear what their take is on the issue and how they plan on dealing with the issue .
I'll make it very clear that I know a lot of cyclists who are interested in doing parts / all of the trail but are seriously considering not bothering due to safety concerns, all the tourism dollars lost , etc ..
All the best to you folks and I hope I can help make a difference here ..!
August 26, 2005
trails and book notes
Dan and Sandra. Thanks for writing the book, but I have a few suggestions for you and hope my frankness and honesty doesn't sting too much - it's not meant to - it's just my way of talking. Your book is also currently the only one out there that focusses on the railbeds, so you can just click delete now if you want.
Overall the ride is a great ride - but most cyclists I met from everywhere were giving the entire Penticton to Midway section a miss as a result of the Myra section being a diversion over a logging road.
Please edit the amount of pictures, edit the amount of gates that you list, and try and line up the maps with more of the km notes in the book. I understand the warning on the back cover regarding the meticulous attention to detail, but gate gate gate and my eyes start to blur. Then I miss something that says "trail badly chewed up in both directions for SEVERAL KILOMETERS" around the Pine Valley Horse Farm. I'm riding a bike, not going to bed the night before memorizing page after page of notes on the next 80 kms. You really should have a note about 10 kms in either direction that the trail is going to be almost completely unrideable in this section. It was brutal - worse than any part of riding to Mount Everest.
I don't have the book anymore, so all of this is from memory.
The Coquihalla section is confusing. I ended up just jumping on the Coquihalla from somewhere around Lear and then going on the Terasen section until Coquihalla (where that campground and what they call a lodge which is really just some sleeping cabins is under new ownership and charges $28 for one person to tent, and carries Mr. Noodle packages or chocolate bars as their sole stock of food. They say they may not have camping in the future and they shouldn't be missed - better to camp just inside the Terasen area or make it up to the Brodie area). From Coquihalla, the rest station has a concession, but then there is pretty well nothing until CoalMont with water in Brookmere being reccommended to be boiled for at least ten minutes. I also found the section from Coquihalla to Brodie confusing, so again just jumped on the highway. You may also want to make a note that water in the section just south of Coquihalla is difficult to find for the first few kms, appearring and disa ppearring for long stretches in the mid-summer(late July onwards)
At Larson Hill exit, could you give a clear indication that all you do is take the turnoff and turn right - go back down the hill you just climbed on the highway, look to your left and head off on the trail that leads to the right across the bridge. From there straight through to Summerland, it's pretty straight forward, and again less meticulous attention to detail in the book would be appreciated, just the landmarks (that really are there and not overgrown with so much brush that you would never know without reading the book), an elevation grid, places to stay, and a km line.
You can still rough camp(an ironic term when there is a nice clean outhouse nearby and a picnic table onsite) on Otter Lake. Lake Thirsk is a delightful and very quiet place to camp - again the above described type of 'rough camping". I also stayed in a couple of B&B's, a hotel, and a couple of motels, but not in any other private campgrounds after the Coquihalla experience.
The C&W is another section that is rideable without much other than an elevation graph and a km grid - actually one of my favorite parts of the whole ride, including camping at the summitt.
Overall, it is a good ride, but the book is too heavy with too much detail like the amount of gates and information about stuff that there is absolutely no indication of ever existing other than the notes in your book. I mean - what are we supposed to be doing as we're riding along? Closely monitor our cyclometers and at km xxy.y stop and pull out the book and read - oh at one time there was a post here, or quite possibly on the other side of that ridge is the remains of the foundation of a water tower?
Why don't you take out half the detail that doesn't really matter and write the book in both directions? Or make a big note that unless there is a note otherwise, that there will be gates, and gates are meant to be opened and shut behind you?
Anyway - I acknowledge that you did do a lot of work and make a lot of notes, write the book and get it published, even if I think it is a rather heavy book for the amount of ground that it covers. I just sometimes felt that you were writing it for historians and surveyors rather than cyclists. Dave Wodchis
August 24, 2005
I know that Chute Lake resort is closed. I remember that there was a small campground at the end of the lake. Does anyone know what that campground is like? Is there potable water? What does it cost? Are there other places to stay in that general vicinity? We are doing the section of trail from Rock Creek to Penticton again this year. WE have not done it since before the fires wiped out Myra Canyon. Is there a clear concise detailed map of the bypass??How much time does it add to the trip? Is it a difficult bypass? Anyone with any information please email me
Sept. 7, 2005
August 18, 2005
MK / JS
Chute Lake Resort is open
The Aug 24th post says "I know that Chute Lake Resort is closed" -- not that I am aware of.
We were up there a few weeks ago, and it was open (as far as camping and food) For inside accommodations, I don't know first-hand. Phone them at 250 493 3535.
Re: potable water at Chute Lake -- one used to be able to drink the tap water, but they have a sign up now saying "don't drink" -- guess what! They sell expensive little bottles of water in their bar-lounge. So who knows if the water is truly undrinkable or if it's just a way to sell more bottled water. But who cares, clearly, these people aren't raking in millions. Besides, the trail from Chute Lake to Penticton is ALL downhill, so roll on to Hillside Winery and drink their water. If you're heading east on the KVR, then you have to buy the Chute Lake water.
As for other camping at "the end of the Lake" -- I think that would be Chute Lake Resort. There are no other formal camping areas that I am aware of. Some people just pull off the trail and camp, but no services obviously, and not recommended if you're not self-contained.
I think that lots of overseas / out-of-town people think that the whole Midway-Penticton side of KVR is shut down. NO! Come and cycle. Yes, the bypass trail around Myra is a challenge, but not impossible. There is still much great scenery and riding and hospitality. After all, many of the best views are downhill of Chute Lake en route to Penticton.
Re: new B&B on KVR
Hi Dan, Yes! I have a website (parts are still under construction) but it is there. I still have to add more photos etc. www.kvrcycleinn.com
August 17, 2005
Al Moir email@example.com
Cycling the KVR - Preferred Route for Scenery/ Tunnels and Trestles
A group of us are planning to ride some sections of the KRV route next summer (July/Aug 06). We're thinking about something along a 3-5 day ride and although we're all cycling enthusiasts we're real rookies when it comes to knowing about which are the best routes on the KVR, in terms of both scenery and for tunnels/tressels. Can anyone provide a recommendation as to which route(s) would be most scenic and would generate a fantastic cycling experience ? Regards: Al Moir
August 15, 2005
Shelly Hayes, firstname.lastname@example.org
Steam Railway Bypass trail
Greetings from Chilliwack, Does anyone have information on the bypass trail around the active railway at Summerland? My schedule doesn't permit me to take the KV Steam train and the 3rd edition book mentions that in 2001 a bypass trail was made. Summerland Chamber of Commerce wasn't sure about this trail but I'd rather a trail than the detour on the roads outlined in the book. Thanks, Shelly
Sept. 7, 2005
August 8, 2005
MK / JS
re: Summerland bypass trail
Re: Summerland bypass The Summerland ByPass trail is very nice. The terrain is an easy rolling gentle uphill (if you're heading west) and the gravel is nice and smooth, especially compared to what you might experience over on the Naramata-Chute Lake side.
(there is an ATV trail next to the bike-hike bypass trail)
If you're heading west toward Princeton from downtown Summerland: head south on Victoria Road as far as the intersection with Lenzi and Simpson St. (site of old railway station, since destroyed). Turn WEST and head up the hill on Simpson. Turn on Fyffe, and it continues UP hill and around the south side of a bluff. Eventually, the road becomes gravel. Watch for signs. Don't trespass on local resident lands. The RR tracks should be BELOW you as you ride the bypass trail.
Alternatively, if you don't want to ride the bypass, just follow the signs to the Kettle Valley RR steam engine rides, riding along the local roads. You'll head west from downtown Summerland, up past the lovely dump, and then there's the tourist train station. The west end of the bypass is just west of the station, over the RR tracks.
August 25, 2005
Re: Steam Railway Bypass trail
The active railway where the steam train goes has a bypass trail that is very easily followed. Just follow the transCanada trail signs. They are a bit easier to see going towards Penticton. There are one or two gates and you are quite obviously going through private land at one point for a very short section that takes you high above if going north or brings you down from a section above the old railbed. The train itself leaves for Summerland at 10:30 and 1:30
August 19, 2005
Howard Lee email@example.com
Re: Steam Railway Bypass
follow this link for info regarding the bypass http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/journal/page/?o=aw&page_id=15420&v=0
Michelle Eisele firstname.lastname@example.org
Brodie to Merrit?
Hi, Is it possible to ride the entire length of the Brodie to Merritt spur these days?. Has anyone ridden this section recently? Does the native band allow travelers to go through their lands on the railbed or is it still necessary to detour along the Coldwater road? What about the reserves along the NK&K from Merritt to Spences Bridge. Do I need to get permission from the bands first? I'm hoping to cycle from Brodie to Spences Bridge in August so any insights and tips for these sections would be appreciated.
August 7, 2005
Michelle Eisele email@example.com
Coquihalla Lakes to Othello Tunnels Road - KVR/TCT
Last week I drove up to the toll booth, parked by the restrooms, and cycled along the KVR/TCT from Coquihalla Lakes to Othello Tunnels Road. Where my Greyhound buddies picked me up by the side of the highway and took me back to my car. The Greyhound pickup was nice but unfortunately not available to the average person. I drive for them so other drivers are often happy to do favours like that for me.
I did the whole Castlegar to Hope trip a few years back but I had skipped the pipeline road due to fact that they didn't want us on there back then. So I just had to go back to "complete" the trip. I did the trip with my wide slicks but there are some short sections where knobbies might be more appropriate. It's a tradeoff either way.
The Coquihalla Summit Trail (Pipeline road) is one of the most spectacular sections I've done. No traffic, BEAUTIFUL scenery, and one valley over from the freeway. Just be prepared for a bit of a stiff headwind blowing up the valley at times. Make sure you don't miss the little turnoff into the woods about 15km or so down the pipeline road, just where the road starts to steepen substantially going downhill. There's a small TCT sign there. It looks like a pretty rotten trail at first but it's only a very short push up the hill to rejoin the railbed. Then you're on a flat, shady forested trail, complete with a great lunch spot beside a tiny waterfall.
Once you come back out to the freeway after about 22km, the TCT signage is severely lacking to say the least. Just go left immediately after crossing the gate onto the pavement and stay on the east side of the freeway. You should be able to see a tiny TCT sign if you squint hard enough! This leads you to a gravel access road with some nice steep descents. Cross over to the west side of the freeway once you're at the Carolyn Mines exit. Wheel, push, drag, sweat your bike up the steep gravel road which goes back north at first but it allows access to the railbed. You'll be rewarded with the Jessica area which is an amazing quiet, easy rail trail ride in the woods.
Unless I missed something you then have to get onto the highway for a while until you come to the checkered red and white tower on the east side of the highway where you can leave the highway onto Othello Road, but from the northbound lanes only. Another option is to cross under the highway at Sowaqua Creek. Follow the gravel service road to the end at the river, ford the river if the water level is low, and then resume the gravel access road on the other side all the way to the Othello Tunnels exit. I didn't ford the river myself but it doesn't look too deep at this time of year. Ford at your own risk.
Michelle Eisele Vancouver, BC
August 7, 2005
Hello, this past long weekend was my first experience on the KVR. My girlfriend and I biked from Penticton to Coalmont and then back to Princeton, all the while enjoying the beautiful backcountry. As first-timers we had our worries like everybody else; wild animals, having enough food,water&supplies, dangerous sections on the trail, etc. But we never ended up worrying about any of those things, it turned out that the worst hazard was the arrogant ATVers. From unbikable sections of the trails ripped up from their tires, their noise pollution disturbing nature, and worrying about getting hit around sharp corners (not to mention getting hit period), they made their presence known.
We saw all sorts of automobiles on the trail; quads, motorbikes, a truck, and usually in great numbers flying down the trail towards you, sometimes speeding up as they drove past you. We even witnessed them driving their dirty oily ATVs through the Tulameen River. At first we rode proudly side by side down the trails not making it easy for them to get by, sending the message that they did not belong on the trail. But soon our nerves were shot, realizing how dangerous it was to remain on the trail as they flew past you, dragging their clouds of dust and rocks with them. After a while any site or sound of them sent us safely off the trail to let them pass. We did manage to really enjoy the KVR though, during the early morning hours when everything was peaceful and quiet.
Cyclists should not have to worry about theses things. We shouldn't have to stress at every blind corner we turn. I'm not so sure that gates designed to allow only cycles would eliminate this problem on their own. There are so many private roads and access points along the trail that these gates could never keep all ATVs off the trail. I noticed that certain sections of the trail (depending on the community that managed them) were void of any ATVs, probably due to a combination of gates&rocks, and the vigilant attitudes by the community to keep the trails clear of ATVs. I would recommend cycling the KVR, but I would also like to warn anyone interested about the dangers ATVs pose and the threat they pose to your enjoyment of these unique trails.
August 2, 2005
ATVs on the KVR
I have just returned from a biking holiday with friends. I am sad to say what is usually a very pleasurable annual holiday was spoiled by some extremely inconsiderate people.
This year we cycled the portion from Jellicoe Station to Thrist Lake and then from Jellicoe station to Jura Station. That is approximately 84 km's total.. We stayed in a local bed and breakfast and also did a winery tour. Obviously we spent a few dollars and contributed to the tourist industry.
Unfortuneately our cylcling trip was marred by the fact that so many sports recreation vehicles also use this portion of the Kettle Valley Trail. As we cycled along enjoying the peace and fabulous scenery a motorized vehicle was never far away. The speed at which these vehicles passed us resulted in a lot of flying rocks, sand and dust. On every curve we were potentially in danger of being hit by a motorscycle or recreation vehicle
The wheels of these recreation vehicles have churned the trail into about six inches of loose sand. It is very unpleasant and difficult to try and bicycle in sand. At the end of each day we were physically and mentally exhaused. The combination of poor cycling conditions and consant fear of being struck by a vehicle or the aftermath of flying rocks as the R.V.'s passed us left us very dissapointed.
This is our fourth year of cycling a different portion of the Kettle Valley Railway each year. Never have we seen such a debaucle in regards to the R.V.'s abusing this portion of the trail. The other sections of the trail we have travelled in previous years have left us wanting to come back. This year is certainly the exception.
Why has this abuse of the K.V.R. been allowed to happen? There must be some regulations regarding the use of this wonderful trail.
Our host at the bed and breakfast tells us that the people on recreation vehicles destroying the trail are most likely locals as there is no rental companies in the area. These thoughtless people could be driving away the tourist dollar with their selfishness.
The four of us intend to cycle a different section of the K.V.R. next year. We will be in the same area. I sincerely hope that my plea for regulation will not fall on deaf ears. I hope that next year we will see some change in this upsetting situation.
I thank you for your time in reading this. Sincerely, Lynn Low
August 2, 2005
ATVs on the KVR
Good day, I am sending this message to as many people I can, because I feel that there is a problem that needs to be dealt with.
Michelle Eisele, firstname.lastname@example.org,
Coquihalla KVR and TCT
I cycled from the toll booth to the Othello Tunnels exit recently. That was the only section of the KVR/TCT which I skipped on my Castlegar to Hope trip several years ago.
| The Coquihalla Summit Trail (pipeline road) is absolutely spectacular. Over 20km's of peaceful and deserted cycling, one valley over from the freeway. It's mostly gentle downhill with a few short climbs to rejoin the railbed. Just be ready for a stiff headwind blowing up the valley at times. Also make sure you don't miss the trail into the woods about 14km along the way. It's just where the road starts to descend steeply. There's a TCT sign and the trail levels out onto a beautiful wooded area along the original railbed after only a very short push up the hill.
Once you come out back to the freeway look hard to your left for the TCT sign on the east side of the freeway. I missed it and ended up on the freeway for a while. A trail, then a service road with a short, steep descent takes you to the Carolyn Mines exit. Make sure you grunt your way back up the northbound access road to rejoin the railbed. It's on the west side of the freeway. You'll be rewarded with another easy rail trail along the Jessica section.
Just after crossing back to the east side of the freeway the trail abruptly ends at the Coquihalla River. The water was very low and you might be able to push your bike through the river. Just be sure you know what you're doing and cross at your own risk. Don't cross after heavy rains. Otherwise you'll have to use the freeway shoulder starting at Sowaqua Creek.
You're now on another mostly flat gravel service road. It joins up with a paved access road near the red and white tower by the freeway. The access road connects with the Othello Tunnels Road which takes you through the tunnels (when open) and on down to Hope.
It's a trip well worth doing if you can arrange transportation at both ends. Michelle Eisele
July 31, 2005
Michelle Eisele, email@example.com,
Brodie To Spences Bridge - Questions
Hi all, I'm hoping to cycle from Brodie to Spences Bridge in August. Do I have to ask for permission from the native bands beforehand? If so, does anyone know which bands to contact? Are there some sections where the bands are refusing passage? Thanks for the info. Michelle Eisele
July 17, 2005
Kelly Cairns, firstname.lastname@example.org
Lost Tent and Bulldog Tunnel Repaired
My Walrus brand 1-person tent (black stuff sack and beige and yellow tent) fell off the back of my bike on July 12 while cycling south on the KVR between Wilkinson Creek (north of Beaverdell) and Midway. We carried on to Christina Lake and then returned home on July 15. We retraced our steps between Paul Lautard's rest stop and Beaverdell (the most likely section where it fell off) but did not find it. If anyone has found it, pls e-mail me. P.S. This tent has been lost on the KVR once before and was found and eventually made its way back. Can we get lucky again? Thanks everyone. By the way, we met two Swiss cyclists who had passed through the Bulldog tunnel on the 11th or 12th of July and found it had been repaired.
July 28, 2005
July 13, 2005
Lost Tent and Bulldog Tunnel Repaired
Yes, the Bulldog Tunnel is clear. To my opinion it doesn't mean it is safe, as no repairs have been done yet. Some parts still look quite unstable. Your tent is at Paul's place. He mentioned a tent has been found. Good luck. Dirk
Camp between Castlegar and Tunnel Station?
Does anyone know if it is possible to camp between Castlegar and Tunnel Station? I’m considering a family trip (w/child of 9), and with the detour or rock-fall pass in the tunnel I’d like to cover this ground in two days. Any advice would be appreciated.
July 18, 2005
July 13, 2005
Re: Camping between Castlegar to Tunnel
There are several good places to camp between Castlegar and Tunnel -- two small tunnels between Shields and Coykendahl (and roughly halfway on your two day route) would offer cover in event of rain. At Shields and Coykendahl there are a number of good flat spots for camping in and around the sidings, as well as the tool shed and water tower foundations. Your main consideration will be water -- there is very, very little accessible free running water in this section. If you're going good, press on to Tunnel -- at the east portal there is delicious water (headwater of Brooklyn Creek); at the west portal there is good water which will quickly fill a water bottle ... and some of the best campsites on the entire C&W/Boundary Sub.
New B&B at Osprey
Hi Dan, Darrell Brewer here. We have just completed renovating one whole floor of our beautiful home for B&B ers. I have registered the business as Cycle Inn. My website is not up yet, but my sign for KVR is almost ready. I am located between Jellicoe Station and the Friesian Ranch. (Between trestle and tunnel) It is exactly 3.5 km from KVR intersection at Aspen Planer access Road to Summerland Hwy. We are on highway @ 2216 (about 23 km from Princeton). My phone number is 250 295 0569
July 13, 2005
McCulloch Lake Resort
McCulloch Lake Resort is still closed for this season and those needing accommodations and some sort of a meal package please contact Louise at 250-765-0228. Still have some room left for July, Aug and into Sept. Also check out the Web Site: www.idabellake.com .
July 10, 2005
This update on Bulldog Tunnel is current as of July 10, 2005.
Bulldog Tunnel is indeed passable; in the past week, a cyclist or two has passed through daily between July 1 and July 10. The fallen debris (rock and creosote timbers) runs side to side in the tunnel, and is max 1.5m in height and 5m in length. As of this writing there has been no indication of cleanup by TCT or the local rails-to-trails groups (and not a sign of the self-described, ubiquitous ATV trail "shepherds" per earlier exchanges on this site!). One can appreciate TCT jitters viz liability, so the signage at Paulson, Farron, the Tunnel portals, etc., is understandable. My view is that a passing cyclist will not bring down any more debris, though certainly not the case for a passing train, motor vehicle or herd of ATV!
Agree with Dan re use of switchbacks as an alternative to the Tunnel. If coming from Farron, use the road which formerly connected Paulson-Dog Creek-Peter Creek-Bulldog Mtn Lookout-Renata as a means of diverting from the rail grade to the switchbacks (shown on Dan's map as "Road"). Coming from Farron, about a km or so west of Tunnel siding watch on the uphill side for this old road (still well-used by ATVs, hunters, etc) which is indicated on Dan's map as a line trailing off the Wye next to the word "Switchbacks". This is your only way to reach the switchbacks and on to the other side with a bicycle; to go up through the bush from Tunnel siding can be done only on foot with a machete or axe (I do it each year and come out cut to ribbons by the brush). The eastern cluster of switchbacks on Dan's map connect to this Paulson-Renata road as well. About 100m east of the east portal, look for a similar trail on the downhill or Arrow Lake side of the rail bed -- this trail (built on to the first switchback from the old main line) runs downhill (wrong way!) to the old Brooklyn townsite (and, now, a small number of private properties) and swings back uphill to the cluster of switchbacks and connection to the Paulson-Renata road. Allow 60-90 minutes to traverse Bulldog Mtn via this combination of trails, switchbacks and old roadway. And note to Steve Webb re "Provincial monies" -- on the C&W between Paulson and Tunnnel there has been significant new culvert work, grading, drainage ditching, and brushing, and word of bridge decking between Coykendahl and Castlegar.
East end of Bulldog on July 5
West end of Bulldog on July 5
July 10, 2005
Bulldog Tunnel rockfall
Is there any further news about the rockfall in the Bulldog Tunnel? Last post was on July 3. Is there any intention to make the tunnel passable in the near future or will it be closed like the Adra Tunnel? Is the entrance to the switchbacks marked in any way? Finally, an the switchbacks be used to go around the tunnel. It didn't seem as if anyone really knew if they were passable. Thanks.
July 9, 2005
We have just completed renovating one whole floor of our beautiful home for B&B ers. I have registered the business as Cycle Inn. My website is not up yet, but my sign for KVR is almost ready. I am located between Jellicoe Station and the Friesian Ranch. (Between trestle and tunnel) It is exactly 3.5 km from KVR intersection at Aspen Planer access Road to Summerland Hwy. We are on highway @ 2216 (about 23 km from Princeton).
July 9, 2005
Nick Lanfear, email@example.com,
Hi Dan & friends, As said below I have done the other interior trails from your book recently.
INCREDIBLE WILDFLOWERS ALL OVER THE KOOTENAYS, I have never seen it like this!
The South Slocan-Slocan trail was great: Very scenic along the river, well sign posted and completely flat! Only downside was some coarse fill over roughly 25% of the route.The provincial money is starting to show here. The only hotel left in Slocan is the Slocan inn as the other place has had a fire & is being repaired. Rooms are very basic but only cost $45. One can get a twice daily local bus back to their car for only $2.50! They have a bike carrier on the front as well. Check out BC transit's website for details.
The Troup-Salmo railgrade was good too. All bridges have been clad, and signposts are common although they don't tell you where you are per say (at least you know you are still on the grade!). Surface conditions were good with some overgrown stretches near the summit. For $9 Greyhound will take you back to Nelson.
Three-Forks to Nakusp: The galena trail is in nice shape from 3 forks through to Roseberry. After Rosberry the trail is very scenic along the lake with many wet patches. About 10KM from Roseberry you come to a gravel pit right in the trail's path, you must bear hard left and will then see a connector has been made: signed simply "trail". Sadly, after this the trail deteriorates badly becoming very overgrown and covered in up to a foot of water in places. If it was not for 4-wheeler traffic the railgrade would have been swallowed up by the trees. This situation only improves at Summit lake and the trail is OK from there on in to Nakusp. I would say apart from the initial & final bits of this trail travel is not recommended. Much money needs to be spent. Again there is a local BC transit bus that will take you back to your car from Nakusp (if in Roseberry or New Denver). Price $2, no bikes allowed. A bike carrier is on line for September apparently.
By the way, I travelled the KVR from OK falls to Penticton yesterday & the part through the Indian reserve is wide open, no berms/gates or signs. Very scenic & I urge all in the area to capitalize on this situation while it lasts!
Happy trails, Nick
For the last five years my husband and I as well as another couple have been cycling portions of the KVR. We are not hard core cyclist, just individuals whom have been trying to do as much of the trail as possible and have made it into an adventure of an enjoyable weekend, of wine touring and biking, staying in bed and breakfast.
year we cycled the portion from Jellicoe Station to
I understand that they are not suppose to be on the KVR and I feel that it should be enforced. It was very difficult riding, extremely tiring.
As far as I’m concern, the whole concept of the KVR is loosing it’s appeal and those from other parts of the world that come to do the cycling, will spread the word that it is not worth the trip and the local tourist (Bed & Breakfast)(wineries) and local towns will loose the money generated from these travelers.
This is what I have found on one of the site, however, I don’t see it being enforced:
F. Trail Use
Most farmers would like to see the trail as a totally non-motorized corridor (no ATV's, motorcycles or snowmobiles. Safety of other trail users (bikers and hikers) was one of their key concerns along with the experience of some motorized vehicle users leaving the trail grade, sometimes by cutting a passage in the fence, to access fields and range land for recreation and hunting. Farmers recognize both the political issues involved (many motorized vehicle users live in the respective areas and support the trial), as well as the technical problems (how do you keep ATV's and motorcycles out and allow bicycles and horseback riders in?) Recognizing those problems, they still encourage the province and Trails B.C. to move quickly towards a non-motorized use only policy for the Trans Canada Trail where it passes through agricultural areas. This is generally consistent with current management agreements.
If a clear "non-motorized use" policy is adopted and promoted, methods of restricting these vehicles will have to be developed. As part of this project, we suggested that 4-foot wide, self-closing passage gates be installed where fences cross the trail. A design and prototype have been developed by Katim Enterprises. One option would be to make sure that these gates are too narrow to permit ATV's and snowmobiles to pass through. Another option, in addition to restricted passage gates, would be to install rocks or posts at critical points such as trestles that again would provide a passage width that is too narrow for ATV's and Snowmobiles.
**We found that the center posts were gone and the ATV’s were able to go through the posts. We even met up with a vehicle on the trail, whom went through the tunnel.
"Trail" type motorcycles present a different challenge. Passages wide enough for bicycles would also allow most trail bikes to pass through as well. The best solution may be to have concrete or other solid barricades across the trail at critical points such as trestles and passage gates at road crossings. These would have to be high enough to discourage trail bikes, but be low enough for bicycle users to be able to "lift" their bikes over the barricade.
vi. Trails B.C. and local TCT Trail groups should continue efforts to reduce and eventually eliminate use of the trail by motor vehicles and by motorized recreation vehicles such as ATV's, motorcycles and snowmobiles in agricultural areas.
vii. If a clear policy to limit motorized vehicles on the trail, passage gates, "lift over" and rock or post barricades should be installed to prevent motorized vehicle use.
I would appreciate hearing from all of you that you have received this email. We plan on going back to the Princeton area next August long weekend to continue our adventure of the trails and hope that some of our concerns will have been answered.
July 31, 2005
July 5, 2005
Bruce Merit www.ospreylakeretreat.ca
Osprey Lake Retreat
Just a little note to let you in on a new B&B in operation on the KVR. it is the Osprey lake Retreat and is located on Osprey Lake, close to the halfway point between Summerland and Princeton.
Please check out my web site at www.ospreylakeretreat.ca
July 4, 2005
The Midway to Rock creek railtrail needs a fine haircut as the weeds and grass is chest high in spots mostly towards the Rock creek end. Other than that is poor signage as to where the the trail actually goes . On the other hand I guess I may buy the book and know it all so I can find my way. Whom does one talk to about cutting a swath thru the trail? Thanks Bruce ,( Surrey B.C. )
July 3, 2005
Dirk Terpstra firstname.lastname@example.org
Bulldog Tunnel Closed
A serious rockfall near the Castlegar end, apparently caused by recent heavy rains, has made the Bulldog Tunnel unsafe for travel. Assessment crews are expected to check the tunnel conditions during the week of June 27 - 30.
I crossed the tunnel on June 21, 1 day after this happened, with 10 bikers. We managed to get through safely. We had to cross a 5 feet high pile of debris while watching the ceiling above us... My advise? don't go here now. I keep you posted.
Christine Buchel, email@example.com
Trail conditions for child carrier.
Hello, Thank you for all of the great information. My husband and I are hoping to do parts of the KVR this June with our 14 month son riding in his chariot carrier. Are the trail conditions suitable for this "extra luggage", and does anyone have any info/advice from past experiences? Any advice on which portions of the trail would be best suited for this?
April 11, 2005
Motorized vehicles and loose gravel surfaces
Just a quick note to thank you all for the honest comments on this web page - in may and june I'm cycling from Vancouver east through the rockies and were considering the kvr as a possible route. the discussion from last september has convinced me that we should not go anywhere near the kvr.
Firstly the loose surfaces - gravel makes cyclists fall off, and then its a thoroughly unpleasant surface to land on, loose gravel means that you spend your days watching the trail ahead like a hawk - missing the scenery, missing the wildlife. Then a moments inattention, on a corner, at a bridge, a gate, and youre wondering where all the skin on your knees and elbows has gone. Basically, cyclists (particularly loaded touring cyclists) require a reasonably hard packed surface - if the kvr trail does not have this then cyclists have been excluded.
Secondly, atv's/cars/automobiles etc. To allow these things on recreational trails is akin to allowing handguns to be openly carried by adults at a childrens playground. Of course the atv users will tell us that they are responsible citizens and the vast majority of them probably are but it only takes one idiot and some cyclists going home in a wooden box. The glory of the rail trails in the rest of the world is the freedom to ride without one eye on the road behind you - without the constant awareness of danger and without the knowledge that one single idiot/reckless person/drinker will have you. Furthermore, is it not the case that someone who wishes to drive irresponsibly will regard the kvr as a delightful police-free zone in which to do so? I believe that there should be provision for people to enjoy atv driving but it needs to be understood that you either exclude atv's or, by default, you exclude cyclists. In this case, the kvr is an atv trail, which is fine. Auto drivers please enjoy it - meanwhile i'll be enjoying the highways.
April 14, 2005
April 2, 2005
Stephen Webb firstname.lastname@example.org
A response to Andy.....and with respect for his thoughts in his posting.
We KVRaddicts are extremely passionate regarding the Trail.... as you can detect from this fine forum, so please forgive us when 'issues' arise from time to time. The ATV issue has been brewing for a long time, I feel there were some very good thoughts from both perspectives....especially the dinner 'n beer invites (I was getting rather thirsty myself!)......and that the Langford's sealed it up VERY intelligently.....and without insulting anyone. I'm hopeful to see an even higher level of cooperation this year because of this forum! There's a good chance that Kevin, John and Dan are all sitting in the back room at Tulameen's Tradin' Post, choking down some hash-browns for dinner, as we speak! Amongst our ATV'rs, we have several of the world's worst! Crap riders! Conversely....we also have the finest and friendliest....that rescue a broken leg or bike without question....that rebuild/repair our trail all year. Andy, I've been riding a bike since delivering papers at age 11, toured the province as a roadie, I am now 50(something!)....my most memorable riding experiences have been on this trail..... with these people, ATV folk' included.....met travellers from Holland to Everywhere....the best scenery, the best gravel, the best personal challenges, the best small communities, the best alone time, the best borscht(?), (and suckin' up to the Langford's)...the best travel book.....only on the KVR baby! Andy, which ever route you choose, please reconsider riding the trail.....at least sometime.....I just don't want you to miss it! Enjoy your ride to the Rockies! Cheers, Steve-from-Vancouver
April 21, 2005
In Response to Andy
I'd like to respond to Andys' overly negative message about the KVR. First off, not all of the KVR is inundated with ATVers. Second not nearly as much trail is as bad as he thinks it is. Castlegar to Grand Forks is in great shape, I've never encountered anything other than other cyclists and a bear. There are a some short sections between Christina Lake and Grand Forks that are a little soft in some spots and there is a rocky section thats kind of nasty. There is loose ballast just out of Castlegar, but they are working on that and it was better last year than the year before that. The nicest section of trail, so far, in my opinion is between Rock Creek and Myra Canyon. That is almost entirely good surfaces. And the people we met along the way were the best. That is one section of trail I would do again and again. Unfortunately, there is some pretty sandy trail after Myra Canyon headed to Penticton. That was tough going. But with good freinds and other riders it was good in other ways. There are more ATVs as you get around the Tulameen area..........but I think they are actually doing more to kick the sand and gravel off the trail than tearing it up. I dunno its 50/50 thing. All the ATVers we encountered were polite and courteous when they passed us. I can't complain about their behavior as a group. I would hope that you will reconsider the KVR Happy with the KVR DiAnne
Link Lake Campground
Hi Dan, Your Cycling the KVR book has been an excellent resource! Thanks. Most recently a group of us did Summerland to Hope and if it wasn't for the book, I'm sure we'd still be lost on that stretch beside the Coquihalla. What a nightmare!
Anyway, I wanted to let you know about the "Link Lake Lady." On page 121 of the 3rd edition you mention the campground (Country Lane Campground), but you might want to add some more info (to the website too). The lady who runs this campground which is right on Link Lake is fabulous. She takes ONLY cyclists which, of course, is cool in itself. There are great bathrooms (clean) with showers (nice hot water) and they've built a great shelter complete with a picnic table, couch, and chair; there's also a complete kitchen with running water, a fridge, a hotplate, microwave, plates, cutlery, glasses, pots, a kettle, a toaster, and pretty much anything else you'd need. All this, and only $5 a head! Her email is email@example.com; phone 250 295-6898. The address is 138 Country Lane. I remember it was a little difficult finding her, so that info needs to be added to the book as well. If people continue on past Osprey Lake, they access Country Lane Campground on the left side of the KVR. Sorry I can't remember any more details than that. I think she does have signage up along the way though, so that does help.
Hope you can use this info. Thanks again for all your useful details. Nancy
PS - there's a great restaurant (big tasty meals for cheap) in the back of the Tulameen General Store
PSS - Burt Sharkey's is pretty cool - great huge shelter and makeshift bathroom & shower, but still rather rustic & hard to find a flat spot for the tent.
PSSS- Also just wanted to let you know that the Trout Creek trestle has now been surfaced and has guard rails.
March 6, 2005
Osprey Lake Lodge B&B Information
Does anybody have any information they can share on the Lodge from their past visits. Thank you
March 5, 2005
Stephen Webb firstname.lastname@example.org
Hello Dan, Sandra 'n All....here's hoping that the bikes 'n gears are all over the workbench getting a good overhaul and that all backsides are getting 'ride-ready'....not to worry if a few ball bearings go missing, it won't make much-of-a-difference anyhow! I'm having difficulty harnessing my excitement about trestle rebuilds and 'full-pull' trail upgrades.......Q: does anyone know what's been done and what to look forward to. I can't find any recent updates as to the condition of our sacred KVR.....all the dependable 'updaters' must be out busy on the trail! Cheers, and use real grease...... Steve-in-Vancouver
Feb 28, 2005
Leon Lebrun email@example.com
Trans Canada Trail Challenges 2005 Invitation
Trails BC is proud to announce two new Trans Canada Trail Challenge events in 2005. These events follow in the successful footsteps of the two previous editions staged in 2003 and 2004. They marked the official opening of significant portions of the Trans Canada Trail through the Coquihalla Summit along the Coquihalla River east of Hope and the Chilliwack River Valley between Chilliwack and Chilliwack Lake. A total of more than 650 people participated in these first two events. Many have participated in both events.
The Brookmere to Princeton event on Sunday, July 10 will take place in the Okanagan region of the province. It follows a 53-kilometre course along the renowned Kettle Valley Railway. Participants will be bussed from the finish line in Princeton to their chosen starting point between Princeton and near the historical railway station, Brookmere. The full course of each event is between 53 and 55 km. You can choose to walk, bike, ride, or run a shorter distance. The level of difficulty for both courses is considered easy to moderate for a trail experience.
Go to the Trails BC website, www.trailsbc.ca (or more directly TCT Challenges 2005) for more information and to register on-line, by fax or by regular mail.
Feb 22, 2005
Stefan Neumeier firstname.lastname@example.org
Other trail systems suitable for a 3-4 week bicycle tour
Hello, I cycled the Kettle Valley Railway in summer 2003 and really enjoyed the trip. Now I am planning my next tour and would be glad if someone could give me a few hints of other similar routes (no or only moderate traffic, not overcrowded, etc.) suitable for a 3-4 week bicycle trip in Canada or the USA as such information are very dificult to get here in Germany.
Many thanks, Stefan
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